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Comment from: Joleen Johnson
Joleen Johnson

Diana, this is definately a very sad entry. [comments deleted.] I am deeply sorry that there was so much devastation…[comments deleted].

09/12/04 @ 23:39
Comment from: Pa
Pa

PD, I appreciate the insight. As you well know, I disagree with you, in the most basic way. It does not, nor ever will, I trust, change the deep love I have for you. [comments deleted.] It saddens me, but at the same time, I learn more of you. As for the flag, I don’t remember having ever seen or heard anything concerning the way it is folded, nor the final shape. I just know the US government, somehow, encourages precisely that.

09/13/04 @ 01:55
Comment from: SSgt Melissa Mong
SSgt Melissa Mong

I’m very sorry to hear about the passing of the soldier who was hit. I know you are all in danger a lot of the time, and I worry about you all over there, as I worry about where I’m getting ready to go. [comment deleted.]

melissa

09/13/04 @ 05:02
Comment from: Barbara Black
Barbara Black

Thanks for expressing your thoughts and beliefs so clearly. I can’t say that I agree with you, as you know, but I can say that whether we believe the same or not, I can still love you as much as (or more than) ever. Your writings are always interesting and clearly stated. Keep it up1

Lynn, if you’ve never seen the thing about how the flag is “supposed” to be folded, check out the link. It is on a lot of sites, and gets passed around the Net on a regular basis.

09/13/04 @ 06:02
Comment from:

To clarify a few things:

My flag-folding rant was not about how the flag is folded, but the ceremony that is being passed off as “official” that has been accompanying it the last few years that erroneously associates almost every fold with a religious belief.

My first reaction was to post my responses to all the faith affirmations. Then I remembered that I am not a common poster here: I am the administrator. As such, I’ve exercised my right to control the discussion. I have removed all comments that missed the point of my essay.

I don’t know what it is that moves people to step forward by the droves and proclaim their own faith when someone says he himself doesn’t believe, but it’s a self-centered and rude thing to do. If one or more people made a point of saying “God is a figment of your imagination” every time you mentioned you’re a Christian, you’d know how I feel. But since atheists are almost always more respectful of your feelings and your right to believe and thus refrain from doing this (except in rare cases), I seriously doubt you have a clue how I feel. You’ll just have to take my word for the fact that it is self-serving and thoughtless, as is “I’ll pray for you even if you don’t believe” which may seem polite and thoughtful but comes across to the atheist as a smugly pious and condescending remark.

Any further proclamations of faith will be deleted without comment.

If you feel you have something to say that I haven’t heard before or haven’t heard just the right way before, please register and start a thread at http://iidb.org, and invite me to the thread. I’ll be there with bells on. My moniker on the board is diana. However, you can save us both a lot of trouble if you just take the time to do a search on the one argument you think will sway me. Been there, done that, and I know the position from faith is logically indefensible, no matter which way you slice it. There are countless people on that board that will take you to the cleaners–some more painfully than others. From the safety of your lurking position, you can see where your arguments fail, and we don’t even have to go back there, you and me.

Meanwhile, enjoy my blog.

d

P.S. Melissa, your best chance is to obey the rules and don’t get stupid or complacent. Good luck, and drop me a line when you get into Baghdad.

09/13/04 @ 07:14
Comment from: Irene Cobb
Irene Cobb

“Danger is to your convictions what alcohol is to your mood: whatever your mood when you drink, alcohol just amplifies it.”

I’m dealing with the death of a good friend (he died this past Saturday, details in the IIDB Lounge), and this struck me. In my case, substitute the word “tragedy” for “danger,” and there ya go. You are so right.

Please take care, Diana.

09/13/04 @ 21:58
Comment from: SSgt Melissa Mong
SSgt Melissa Mong

What is your email address LT?

09/14/04 @ 08:17
Comment from:

Joleen,

Your comments have been moved to this thread at IIDB for discussion. I believe there’s a 24-hour registration time, but I encourage you to register and join the discussion. I don’t want to have this discussion here, as stated earlier, but I’d like to discuss it. Also, how to politely refuse to accept double standards is an interesting question to me. I’m interested in how other atheists/agnostics feel/respond in such situations, and why.

Take care, and I hope to see you there.

d

09/14/04 @ 09:11
Comment from: Kelly
Kelly

Hey, Diana, glad to hear you’re in one piece and doing ok. I’ve been popping by occasionally to read your blog, and thanks much for giving us a good view of what your days are like over there. I completely understand what you mean about the preaching you’re getting from friends.

I think it’s great that you’re raising awareness of this issue, too. If enough of our friends and family are made aware that we are offended by seemingly innocuous statements, then the friends who really care about us as individuals will STOP the preaching.

Need anything sent in a care package? Take care.

-Kelly (Gooch’s dad)

09/14/04 @ 18:42
Comment from: James
James

hey Diana.

I feel your pain on this. As a former Marine from the first desert dust up, and an atheist, I know what you’re talking about. You are far closer to the action than I… (Ironic that, as a Marine, I was safer than a Zoomie at war…)

Hang in, and don’t let them wear you down.

09/14/04 @ 20:30
Comment from: Harris
Harris

Hay Boss,
When I made the joke of keeping your head down I didn’t realize that it would be such good advice!! I really wish you well.

09/14/04 @ 22:07
Comment from: David
David

Diana,

Thanks for taking the time to keep your blog up to date with all that is going on. I have enjoyed your unique perspective on the events and circumstances you have encountered in Balad.

Religious discussion moved to this thread at IIDB. Please go there to pursue it, David.

Have fun and come back in one piece. Keep up the good writing.

d

09/14/04 @ 22:30
Comment from: Harris
Harris

General comments: This has nothing to do with your BLOG but I thought you would enjoy it. My marketing instructor talks (understatement) too much. I have now made it a habit to walk in a bit late as to avoid some of the initial banter. Last thursday when I walked in he was gabbing about camel hair jackets. He asked “When do you wear camel hair jackets in Montgomery Alabama?” Without skipping a beat I answered “on Hump Day” Have fun!!

09/14/04 @ 22:48
Comment from: Jeff
Jeff

Hey–

Try not to snip out too much, OK?

Amen to the religious bent on everything “traditional.” (Pun intended.) I find it curious that on one hand the basic freedom to choose your religion is one of the tenets that we fight to protect, while at the same time everything is injected to brimming with Christian overtones. That’s a discussion I’m more often loathe to even start, but it irks me to no end that the traditions and foundations are bonded to any religion. Let the tradition be to honor the thing needing honor. It’s not about God (or Allah or Vishnu or Zeus) at that point; it’s about remembering those that came before, who made us what we are today.

Amen to the sticking it out “in the foxhole” withough losing your faith. (Just following a theme now…) I’ve found that holding strong to my convictions, seeking material support (read friends, and sometimes family, not toys and thing) is much more reinforcing than tossing my fate (karma, whatever) to the “disembodied hand.” You hang in sista. Find a wireless PC and blog while you’re in the foxhole :)

I’m not sure I agree with you about the unlucky individual, though. While I recognize it’s got its own hardships, I’d rather be unrecognizable (and holed up on this side of the keys where recognition has different forms) than…well, not be. You just do what you can to stay lucky.

Make that stay sharp…

09/15/04 @ 06:17
Comment from: Ric aka Shake
Ric aka Shake

Thanks for that much needed reminder that there indeed ARE atheists in foxholes. I particularly liked your analogy to the effects of alcohol on one’s mood.

09/17/04 @ 18:17
Comment from: Lowell Skelton
Lowell Skelton

Keep your head low and come back to us in one piece.

Lowell Skelton
retired AF MSgt and atheist since birth

[renders salute]

09/18/04 @ 13:53