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Comment from: Pat
Pat

We call them Hadji’s down here. I guess there was a Hadji on Johnny Quest or something.

Either that or sheet heads. :-)

10/16/04 @ 19:00
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I was referring only to the insurgents, Pat. “Hadji” is a perjorative term for the whole nationality, as “sheet head” is for the Arab world in general. I’d prefer to avoid such labels as a matter of personal integrity, as well as it being an MEO violation. Many of the enemies we’ve earned recently are Arab, but to fall into using such terms smears the line between who our enemy is and who we’re here to help–also “hadjis” and “sheetheads.” Lest we forget.

d

10/16/04 @ 20:41
Comment from: Pat
Pat

Ok Ms user of big words. Please tell us how Charlie is not pejorative. It’s possible that the Army uses it to refer to the nameless enemy in general, but I thought that it was mostly a Vietnam era term.

10/17/04 @ 09:29
Comment from: blingholio
blingholio

I’m with D on this one. Of course Charlie is a pejorative, just like Jerry. Soldiers have always had demeaning names for their enemies and probably always will.

Pejoratives aren’t the issue per se, as far as I can tell. For starters, we’re already killing the enemy, so it would be nonsensical to take issue with a demeaning label - if it were accurately applied only to combatants on the other side. However, it’s unwise to confuse an ethnic/religious term for a much larger group with a name for one’s enemy.

If our enemy in Afghanistan were all Afghans, what would the place look like right now? Had we taken the attitude in Somalia that we were fighting against all Africans… well, use your imagination. Likewise, our enemy in Iraq is the insurgents who attack us, not the Iraqi/Arab/Muslim people who support us and wish to make the best of the regime change.

It bothers me when I hear the way people here use terms like Hadji… intentional or not, it conveys a lack of respect in almost every usage.

Jeff

10/17/04 @ 17:08
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Actually, I’ve never seen Charlie as perjorative, even. But then, I don’t remember much from the Vietnam era. I was young then. It was clearly slang for the enemy.

One point cannot be made too sharply, though: Charlie was invariably The Enemy. “Charlie” did not apply to the Vietnamese to whom we gave succor. Hadji and Sheet Head apply to the entire group, friend and foe alike, and using these terms, no matter how “cute” they may sound, smear those lines. Perhaps I’m ahead of my time (alternately, I may just be a sucker), but I think it’s quite possible, admirable and even smart to respect your enemy. They have their reasons for fighting, just as we do. As Robert Heinlein so eloquently put it, “Your enemy is never a villain in his own eyes.”

d

10/17/04 @ 17:25
Comment from: Pat
Pat

You’ve won me over with the Heinlein quote. :-)

10/17/04 @ 19:53
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And thanks for passing up the opportunity to point out I’m just a sucker. ;)

d

10/17/04 @ 20:05
Comment from: PJ Hardwick
PJ Hardwick

Diana…those glasses…are a beaut! (Kinda like the ad that said “I’m too sexy for my shirt”

10/18/04 @ 07:56
Comment from: Melissa
Melissa

I don’t know about you LT, but I breathe dirt like fish breathe in water these days. Oh, and Happy Ramadan to you!!!

10/22/04 @ 08:15
Comment from: Steve
Steve

Nix the Happy Ramadan. As I understand it they don’t view this as a “happy” time in as much as it is a time for reflection. It’s Ramadan Kareem (Generous).

That said, has anyone noticed the connection between Ramada Inn and Ramadan???

10/22/04 @ 14:38
Comment from: Hinermad
Hinermad

d,

As I understand it, “Charlie” is from the phonetic “victor charlie” (VC) which referred to the Viet Cong, all of whom were enemy combatants. “Charlie” doesn’t refer to a people, it refers to an army.

As for being perjorative, I’ve never heard “Charlie” used that way. It was usually a way of saying “them” as opposed to “us.” I worked with a guy who had part of his arm blown off by a mortar round in Viet Nam, and he had other words for the people of Viet Nam - friendly, hostile, or indifferent, he called them the same thing.

I apologize for the late follow-up on this topic. I just found your blog yesterday and I’m still getting caught up. And thanks! It’s helpful to know how the people on the ground feel about being there.

10/28/04 @ 18:00
Comment from: Warren
Warren

Diana, those dust storm pics look like where I grew up in the Panhandle of Texas. I lost track of your blog, looked it up at HH and am catching up today. Great stuff, keep it come… until you leave there anyway.

Riverbend’s blog last year during Ramadan said pretty much what you’ve heard, that Iraqis rearrange their schedules as much as possible to sleep during daylight hours, then feast all night. In fact, she said most Iraqis she knows gain weight during Ramadan.

Warren

11/05/04 @ 20:51
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Thanks for the info, Hinermad. That was pretty much what I thought. I think “insurgent” is actually a pretty good word for our enemy here. It isn’t snide or cute and it differentiates between the people and the enemy.

Warren,

They gain weight? Hahahaha. It wouldn’t surprise me. Nights are marked by feasting and merriment, and the days are filled with hunger and thirst. And along those lines, how do you make people alcoholics? Limit the times and places they can drink, of course. ;)

d

11/07/04 @ 10:07
Comment from: pescifish
pescifish

Ok, now that I’ve jumped in elsewhere (on 11/10/2004 entry) my feet are wet. When I read this a while back, I wanted to say: “Hey! That looks like our AFB!” (Only you have more trees…)

And you’ve got those amazing Giganto-Mungus jacks that give me the urge to drive into one with my car, ya know, just to see what would happen. One of these days some giant kid will come along with a huge rubber ball and start to play with them.

11/11/04 @ 08:20