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Comment from: Hinermad [Visitor]
Hinermad

Diana,

After way too many years of grumbing that I just don’t get literature classes, I finally get it! You’re not teaching literature, you’re teaching a behavior: the behavior of studying literature.

Boy, do I feel dumb.

I don’t remember anyone ever telling me “Here’s a process. Run it on this book.” Maybe they did and I wasn’t paying attention. (Yes, it happens.) But that’s what you’re doing, isn’t it? Read a book, form a hypothesis, support the hypothesis with examples, address potential criticism, conclude. Heck, even I can do that. It’s not that different from making a design proposal. (Which is one of the places where your engineering students would reasonably expect be asked, “What do you think?")

I expect that upper-level lit classes assume the students have the process down, and focus more on introducing them to writings they might not otherwise encounter if left to themselves.

You need to be more careful, Diana. You’re giving away your secrets!

Dave

03/25/07 @ 19:44
Comment from: [Member]

This is your way of telling me to give my students a formula, isn’t it, Dave? I’m shameless, too. I’ll so do it. I’ve already been doing it (with outlines) with rather impressive results.

Yes, I’m “teaching the behavior of studying literature.” Nicely stated. :) One of the myriad reasons it took me so long to figure out how to approach teaching literature is that I’ve never given much thought to what “teach literature” does (or should) entail, other than requiring students to read things that qualify as “literature.” Among other things, I think the teacher should model examination and thought about literature, ask critical questions and make arguments that the author’s message is X and not Y because of A, B and C.

Along those lines, it’s also my job to impress upon them why it even matters to learn to think about words, and how words change the world.

I don’t think a beneficial approach to teaching literature is any secret, though. I just think not many people have figured it out. (I’m working from theory at the moment, so I won’t say I’ve figured it out, either. I need a couple of semesters to see how my students react to my approach to determine how effective it is.)

Speaking of presenting English as a formula, did I pass along the most recent analogy I’ve used (effectively in almost every case)? I liken writing a paper to doing a scientific experiment. You begin with a specific question about the text, then form a preliminary thesis based upon it; this is your hypothesis. You’re stating what you think you see and can prove, but you don’t know if it’s right yet. Next, go to the text and read closely, collecting your data without prejudice, then analyze your data. What ideas does it support, and do those ideas support the prelim thesis? Usually not. At this point, like any other honest scientist, you adjust the thesis (your conclusion) based upon the data you’ve collected.

(For some reason beyond my ken, my students almost always find it easier to start with a prelim thesis instead of going directly to the text to collect observations, which is my preferred method.)

d

03/25/07 @ 20:44
Comment from: Hinermad [Visitor]
Hinermad

Diana,

I’m not implying you should give your students a formula, no. But some of them might catch on a little more quickly if they know they’re supposed to learn “how,” not “what.” Or that “what” comes later. I might have done better had I known I was being graded on the process I used, not the actual conclusions. If the process is correct, the conclusions are correct… or at least supportable, which I guess is as close as you can come to having a correct opinion.

I think your analogy is a good one. The idea struck me, too, but I cast it as a design proposal because that’s what I’m most familiar with. But you’re right, what you’re doing is scientific method on a piece of writing.

I suspect your students like starting with a preliminary thesis because it simplifies the search for data. They can read and discard pieces that aren’t related to the thesis, either for or against. You come at a piece of writing for what you can glean from it; they’re coming at it for a grade. Or to be kinder about it, the engineering mentality is goal-seeking; knowledge is a means to an end, not the end itself as it is for a scientist.

Darnit, where were you when I was in college? Oh, right. Probably in middle school. (Grin)

Dave

03/25/07 @ 22:18
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“How,” not “what.” That’s even better. Succinct. (You’re so helpful. :))

This reminds me of the opening salvo my eighth grade math teacher gave: “First, somebody tell me The Almighty Answer.” Someone would, then that lucky someone could go to the board and demonstrate the steps by which he achieved the answer. Mrs. Horne footstomped The Almighty Answer so much that by one month into the class, we fully understood just how little The Almighty Answer mattered, as compared to the process. (I’ve thought of applying the same principle to young martial artists: “Here’s your blackbelt. OK? Good. Now…let’s learn something….")

d

03/26/07 @ 13:05
Comment from: hinermad [Visitor]
hinermad

Diana,

In this day of government-mandated testing, your bit about getting the belt out of the way and learning something sure resonates. “Teaching to the test” should be a crime, IMNSHO.

Dave

03/26/07 @ 13:57


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