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Comment from: Kathleen
Kathleen

Wow, what an amazing experience! I know you don’t believe it, but there are those of us out there who can see the Divine at work here. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to find out that this was the first time Larry experienced such acceptance. He’s probably never been shown that level of interest…all the more reason to repeat and emphasize what he had said, hoping to get that reaction again. What was an interesting experience for you was probably a real blessing for him.

01/11/06 @ 10:32
Comment from: Hinermad
Hinermad

Diana,

Larry sounds like a rare guy: somebody who’s at peace with his situation. He doesn’t seem to be afraid to ask for what he wants, but it sounds like he’s willing to work for what he gets. I think there’s a lesson there.

Did you ever feel like he was trying to guilt you into giving him more than was agreed? It’s hard to tell from what you’ve written. You were generous with him, but I know you can be a generous person.

Dave

01/11/06 @ 17:16
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Good morning, Dave. :)

Guilt? No, I don’t think so. I repeatedly got the impression that he wanted to make sure I understood that he was working for his pay, and that he wanted me to tell him what a good job he was doing, but that’s all. Basically, he wanted the same things I want when I work. :) As far as the food, if I didn’t feed him, he wouldn’t have the energy to continue. I still don’t think that’s a guilt trip so much as a fact of life.

And I wonder if I was generous enough. (You haven’t seen my yard. ;))

d

01/12/06 @ 06:39
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Good morning, Kathleen. :)

It would be ironic indeed if the atheist house was the only place Larry has been treated with acceptance. If the Divine was involved, then I think God has a delightful sense of humor.

The repetition thing I mentioned is a common practice in many cultures, particularly those of the less well-off. I guess I was a bit vague on that part. I’ve always been riveted by this practice. It’s a very leisurely form of conversation. It’s a bit like lingering over a good meal for an hour or two after you finish–it was so good you just don’t want to get up yet. I’ve noticed many subcultures will do the same thing with a good anecdote. The whole thing may or may not be repeated, but the last few lines often will, until everybody stops laughing. I don’t know if they’re just filling time until they think of something else to say, or if they’re just getting every drop of amusement out of it before moving on. Maybe it’s a hand-me-down of primarily oral cultures, where anecdotes are retold countless times over the years to the same audience with equal enjoyment (as opposed to other cultures who roll their eyes and say, “Yeah, Granddad…We heard this one already").

I’ve listened to some groups of people retell a punchline four or five times in a row before they drop it and move on. I’ve never understood what makes immediate restatement of the punchline funny–unless it’s just their way of stalling while they enjoy their mental images.

d

01/12/06 @ 07:11
Comment from: Hinermad
Hinermad

Diana,

Where can I find one of these cultures that appreciates hearing stories re-told? I certainly get enough eyerolling at home. (Although nobody’s called me Graddad yet.)

Dave

01/12/06 @ 09:27
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I think you need a culture that is relatively free of new inputs, so they have not become spoilt to new and interesting amusements. I’m guessing here, of course. If you aren’t used to new things to catch your attention and entertain you, you’ll probably find a lot more enjoyment in the old amusements…repetitively.

?

d

01/12/06 @ 10:48
Comment from: Hinermad
Hinermad

Diana,

I’m sure you’re right. If the Pied Piper of Hamelin comes to take our children today it won’t be with a pipe, it’ll be with a sign that says “NEW!”

[Darnit, I’ve tried to write this next part four different times today and I keep running out of brain cells along the way. (A head cold and lack of sleep will do that.) Please forgive the poor quality of the words, but I have to get it out.]

Not everything that’s kept black people underprivileged (is that word acceptable?) has been a white supremacist plot. People resist change. Some supposedly “free” blacks may have decided their current lives were acceptable to them. Maybe out of fear, maybe out of ignorance. I imagine more of them just didn’t know (and certainly weren’t taught) any different. The question we face now is this: how much more must we do to make sure they’re aware of their opportunities? I don’t think we should force anyone to change if they don’t want to, but I think we could do a better job of letting them know that they can change.

Dave

01/12/06 @ 16:44
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Interesting thoughts, Dave.

First, let me say this: when I wrote this blog entry, I wasn’t really going anywhere in particular with it. Other than noting the ironic juxtaposition of my studies and the man raking leaves in my yard, I didn’t have an agenda. Indeed…I’m still not sure what conclusions might be reached/supported with it. But your response here acknowledges that it did provoke some deeper thoughts on the poor and racial attitudes/assumptions, so…thanks. Your thoughts are vindication for my sharing mine.

I’d like to think about your comments a while (it’s thesis work time :)), but off the cuff I’d say there is still much racism alive and well in Alabama, but I agree that the problem of how to extract people from a lower economic position–if they desire it–is more complex than providing opportunities. I’ve noted that economic repression is not a black phenomenon at all. It applies to all who were born poor and given poor educations (a huge problem here) and raised in undesirable circumstances. In Alabama, however, being black undeniably further reduces one’s economic opportunities.

d

01/12/06 @ 17:54
Comment from: Hinermad
Hinermad

Diana,

For someone who hasn’t encountered overt racism much, I’m not sure why I reacted so strongly. Maybe I’m afraid of being a racist myself. I don’t think I am, but looking back at my upbringing I can see signs of that sort of attitude being common. Every time my mom said something like “those people are just like us” I knew that if they really were like us she wouldn’t have called them “those people.”

You have more important things to do than argue with a crazy person, though. I’ll try to behave until you’re done. Knock ‘em dead!

Dave

01/12/06 @ 20:53