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Comment from: Hinermad [Visitor]
Hinermad

Diana,

Good catch on that cadet. You make one hell of a parent. That’s a very astute observation about peer pressure and encouragement, too - expectations (real or imagined) can be a killer. I hope he lands on his feet.

Are there many cadets that leave voluntarily? You told me once before that up to a certain point they can leave with no further obligations. I’m curious how many take advantage of that.

We (parents and the educational system) put a lot of pressure on kids to pick a career and pursue it before they’re even out of high school, but not everybody is ready by then. I saw a piece that was supposed to be the commencement address to a high school class - it takes a different tack, and it makes a lot of sense:

http://www.paulgraham.com/hs.html

The upshot is to not make a decision too soon: figure out in general what you like to do and find the places that give you the most options in that field.

Dave

05/15/07 @ 01:31
Comment from: Doug [Visitor]  
Doug

Good eve d,

Perhaps you could have brought to the attention of the young man your episode of the “extra” pair of shoes you recently obtained. Of course, it involves the “crux” of the subject, that being integrity. A student who wanted out so badly he became a plagiarist, thief and drug user, despite the peer pressure.

Of course, I have my thoughts on peer pressure in a peace-time military which is not at peace. Somewhat oxymoronic, dontcha think? But that’s to discuss for a different time.

Surely, as a Professor at a military academy, it is one of your jobs to weed out the bad and ‘fertilize’ the good? I don’t suppose that you will find many that so blatantly or sneakily want out.

On the other hand, you saying, “The military isn’t right for everyone. There’s no shame in leaving it.” leaves me with the utmost respect for you. I’ve never heard that coming from an officer when I was “do’in time".

I don’t think you’re in a Catch 22 situation. The idea isn’t for the student to please faculty. But by doing the work and passing pleases the faculty indirectly. At least you’re knowing the students are getting the message. And while it’s nice to belong, it isn’t the student that needs to please his peerage. The ideal is to please yourself…by abiding the laws and regulations of the Academy or any other learning institution. Obviously this student was not pleased at all. There is no shame on you for at least trying.

I think the AOC’s need to be brought up to speed when a student runs afoul of the rules and regs.

And last, but not least:

Send me some of your guacamole? Please?

05/16/07 @ 21:16
Comment from: [Member]

I’m afraid guacamole doesn’t keep long enough to ship. Not in my house, anyway.

I agree that peer pressure shouldn’t have so much influence, but the fact is that it does–sometimes detrimentally. And the students want to please us and don’t want to disappoint us, so in a sense, we add to their difficulty in leaving the Academy when they know it isn’t for them. I’ve been thinking that our encouragement isn’t the problem; the problem is that we don’t tell them at the same time that it’s okay to just leave, if they know it isn’t for them.

Dave,

I enjoyed the link quite a bit. That was me saying, “I don’t know what I want to be when I grow up.” It seemed like my peers knew well enough, and I just thought I was a slow or something.

As I spoke to this kid, I got the impression that–ironically–he actually has higher ethical standards than most of the student body. He was clearly disgusted that his overt efforts to be caught and dismissed earlier were ignored. I don’t think this kid lacks ethics at all, as odd as that sounds. He just lacks backbone.

d

05/17/07 @ 19:48
Comment from: hinermad [Visitor]
hinermad

Diana,

If he lacked backbone, he probably wouldn’t have made a good officer.

I think I was an anomaly when I was in high school. I knew exactly what I wanted to do. Although I did change my mind several times along the way. As a freshman I wanted to be a draftsman like my father, but after taking a drawing course that I decided I hated it. Then as a sophomore I wanted to be a photographer, but a year working in a darkroom for the yearbook convinced me that wasn’t really what I wanted either. Then as a junior I went to vocational school to study electronics and I’ve stuck with it ever since. I was lucky to find my niche before I left high school; most of my classmates needed more time to figure it out.

I confess I’m still thinking of switching careers, but that’s more of a midlife issue than an undecided grad issue. I’ve taken a tentative step in the direction you suggested, about being a writer. I’ve been accepted as a contributor to the GeekDads blog at Wired.com (http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/).

Dave

05/18/07 @ 08:39
Comment from: Daddy [Visitor]  
Daddy

PD, congrats on a job well done. At age 63, I still don’t have a cat’s idea what I want to do, except preach, teach, build portable buildings, drive an 18 wheeler, write (both fiction and non-fiction, as well as commentaries on the bible.) Maybe that means I’m human after all. You would never have known that when you kids were growing up. Just kidding on that. I continue to be proud of you for putting your whole heart into your job and the people you teach and interact with. Love you.

05/18/07 @ 22:49
Comment from: [Member]

Daddy,

Thanks. I suppose you’d never be able to tell that it still matters to me that you’re proud of me, either. ;)

But…drive an 18-wheeler? |-|

Dave, I suspect most of us aren’t happy doing the same thing our whole lives, even if we’re good at it. I don’t think we’re meant to be “monogamous” regarding our livelihoods.

Or maybe I’m projecting.

You got accepted by Wired.com? That’s awesome! That’s huge, really. I’m proud of you. :D (I’ll stop before I’m reported for smiley abuse.)

I just looked at the page you linked. Yours isn’t on there. Will it be published next month?

d

05/20/07 @ 18:19
Comment from: Hinermad [Visitor]
Hinermad

Diana,

Thank you. Your opinion means a lot to me.

Articles scroll off the bottom of the GeekDads blog pretty quickly. With an influx of a couple dozen new contributors all trying to make a name for themselves, it’s been busy.

Here are links to my articles:

http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2007/05/map_and_compass.html

http://blog.wired.com/geekdad/2007/05/why_knots_the_r.html

Mr. B: I’m told be a friend that CRST truck lines will hire people off the street and train them to drive an 18-wheeler. (Grin)

Dave

05/20/07 @ 19:03


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