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Comment from: Hinermad
Hinermad

Diana,

Wow, you opened a can of worms this time.

I’m not sure why humans feel the need to curse, but I know I sure do from time to time. (Although I think using the word “curse” in this context makes about as much sense as the word “swear.” As you pointed out, to swear is to promise. To curse is to invoke ill on someone or something - the opposite of bless.) I think it’s supposed to be audio punctuation - not only does my thumb hurt because I bashed it with a hammer, it REALLY REALLY hurts. Humans are subject to strong bursts of emotion, but in polite society we’re not allowed to do the things animals do when they’re hurt, frightened, or angry. Slashing someone with your fingernails tends to get you arrested. So we commit verbal assault by cursing - by saying something offensive and/or shocking.

Usually the shock value of a curse comes from referring to something that is taboo. In Western society topics like sexual intercourse and bodily waste elimination are not considered fit for polite company, so they make great curses. (Especially the easy one-syllable words. I’ve never felt the need to shout “fornicate!” when I hit the aforementioned thumb.) In Christian society it is taboo to use the Lord’s name in vain, so it makes great curses as well.

(I’ve heard it said that humor is baesd on revealing the incongruous, the unexpected, or the shocking. I suspect that’s why some comedians get so much mileage out of blue language.)

As I heard a Bible teacher on the radio explain it, “using the Lord’s name in vain” means associating His name with something that He’d have no part in. To swear (make a promise) on God’s name and then fail to follow through makes God complicit in a lie - something He would never do. To say “God damn it!” is wrong for two reasons: 1) We don’t tell God what to do, and 2) God doesn’t damn anyone - He sets the rules and we damn ourselves by choosing to not follow them.

I believe the “swear not” edict in the Bible is an effort to keep us from falling into the sin of using God’s name in vain, as well as to encourage us to be honest and transparent. Dishonest people swear promises on whatever authority is convenient (God, the Bible, their mother’s grave, etc.) to gain credibility. An honest person doesn’t need to.

(By the way, did you know that digital is good and analog is evil? Matthew 5:37 says “But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.” I’m surprised Sprint PCS hasn’t used that in their cell phone ads.)

You reminded me of a parallel question I’ve pondered for a while. Why do most personal insults (in America anyway) involve a person’s parents? You called the guy a bastard, which means his parents weren’t married. “Son of a bitch” calls a man’s mother a dog. There are other insults involving people’s mothers too. Why do we have to involve somebody’s parents in our disagreements?

By the way, doesn’t “bugger” mean sodomy? I’ve heard Brits use the term “sod off” where an American might say “fuck off.” I guess normal sex isn’t shocking enough for the Brits.

Dave

06/05/05 @ 11:22
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You weren’t kidding about the can of worms, Dave.

I had a long, rambling response going to your post, then got sidetracked into what became my next post. I could draw off your post for subjects for a while, probably. :)

Meanwhile, I’m summoning the energy to tell y’all all about Belize. I promise, it’ll be worth the wait. I have pics and everything.

d

06/07/05 @ 14:36
Comment from: Hinermad
Hinermad

Diana,

Belize? First you brag about mowing your grass in winter and now you’ve found someplace WARMER?

TANJ.

Dave

06/07/05 @ 15:44
Comment from: IRON MAN
IRON MAN

Oh BTW Penn Jillette points out that the phrase, “Holy Cow” is having a shot at Indian Cow worship, so it’s apparently okay to take the name of God in vain as long as it’s someone else’s god.

This is where the term, “By Jove” comes from too. Jove refers to Jupiter a pagan God that served as fodder for Christians since they aren’t allowed to say, “By God".

A very popular turn of phrase in Shakespears time.

My wife, (a theist), thought that “bugger” was a cool word, (she lived in Papua New Guinea for a while and in Pigeon English, if something is “Bugger-up” then it doesn’t work.

Also they started using it in Australia in an advertising campaign for utility vehicles, ("utes” to us, “trucks” to you yanks). The guy would accidently be destroying things because his vehicle was just so damn powerful that it would exert more force than he intended. He would casually survey the damage and exclaim, “Bugger!”

After that there were T-shirts and coffee mugs with “Bugger!” written on them.

After I informed her what the word actually refers to she decided to stop using it, (but is finding it difficult).

I also remember saying in a high school maths class, “Excuse me sir, can you give me a hand, I buggered something up here.”

The teacher walked over and physically ejected me from the classroom saying something about bad language. It took me till I was out in the hall to even realise what the fuck he was talking about. Everyone else in the class thought he was a bit of a dick too, ‘cause even then it was in common useage over here.

Maybe I should send him a coffee mug …

06/30/05 @ 10:23
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Thanks, Melissa. :)

I agree with you. What I don’t understand, though, is why it’s okay to say “sexual intercourse” but not “fuck,” “condemn” but not “damn,” etc. The ideas are the same. Why is one okay but the other taboo?

Any ideas?

d

07/08/05 @ 18:16
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Yeah, Neil. I’ve seen several of the Bullshit! series. As you might imagine, they are much admired by the skeptical community.

Until they decide to do a show on “atheist groups” or something, I mean. Everybody has a holy cow of some sort–even atheists. It would be fun to watch the backlash for something like that. ;)

But then, Penn and Teller are atheists themselves. (Obviously.)

d

07/08/05 @ 18:20