the id, the ego, & the single misfiring brain cell - Latest Comments on awwrite... https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/index.php?disp=comments en-US http://backend.userland.com/rss 60 Aunt Bann [Visitor] in response to: awwrite... Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:04:51 +0000 Aunt Bann [Visitor] c31983@https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/ <p>Remember the song in Sound of Music? That is exactly what we did; we SANG the Do, Re, Mi, etc. I think it is Primitive Baptists who sing the notes instead of the words to the songs! And they do it all without instruments, much as your family does it.</p> Remember the song in Sound of Music? That is exactly what we did; we SANG the Do, Re, Mi, etc. I think it is Primitive Baptists who sing the notes instead of the words to the songs! And they do it all without instruments, much as your family does it.

]]> https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/index.php/2010/07/23/awwrite#c31983 Aunt Bann [Visitor] in response to: awwrite... Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:56:38 +0000 Aunt Bann [Visitor] c31982@https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/ <p>Actually, Diana, the time/rhythm is the same, with the numbers as in the &#8220;round&#8221; notes. The sharps and flats are also shown as sharp or flat, just as in the &#8220;round&#8221; note clef. So the only real difference is in the SHAPE of the notes! And that makes it much easier for uneducated people, especially, to learn to read music! They can SEE the note, and since every key STARTS and ENDS with the DO, the rest of it is fairly easy to pick up. And once a person is familiar with the shaped notes, that person should be able to learn to read the normal notes with only a little help.</p> Actually, Diana, the time/rhythm is the same, with the numbers as in the “round” notes. The sharps and flats are also shown as sharp or flat, just as in the “round” note clef. So the only real difference is in the SHAPE of the notes! And that makes it much easier for uneducated people, especially, to learn to read music! They can SEE the note, and since every key STARTS and ENDS with the DO, the rest of it is fairly easy to pick up. And once a person is familiar with the shaped notes, that person should be able to learn to read the normal notes with only a little help.

]]> https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/index.php/2010/07/23/awwrite#c31982 admin [Member] in response to: awwrite... Thu, 29 Jul 2010 03:36:30 +0000 [Member] c31981@https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/ <p>How does learning the key signature (time/rhythm and sharps/flats) work with shape notes, Aunt Bann?</p> <p>I just know the basic notes. :) I have been studying music theory, but not with shape notes. </p> <p>d</p> How does learning the key signature (time/rhythm and sharps/flats) work with shape notes, Aunt Bann?

I just know the basic notes. :) I have been studying music theory, but not with shape notes.

d

]]> https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/index.php/2010/07/23/awwrite#c31981 Aunt Bann [Visitor] in response to: awwrite... Thu, 29 Jul 2010 03:25:08 +0000 Aunt Bann [Visitor] c31980@https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/ <p>Sorry, Kathy! Back in the 1940s and 50s, many people really couldn&#8217;t read the notes, because they had never had &#8220;music lessons"! That was something that we didn&#8217;t have in the school that I attended; we only had music one day a week, for less than an hour, and the teacher would play the tune and have us follow her lead. Very few people even had a musical instrument, especially in the area I grew up in. (Southeast Texas) The schools started students in band only at the fifth grade level. So most people just learned from rote, and would only look at the song itself to get the right words.</p> <p>Yes, if you know the lines and spaces, which many people do now, the rest is faily easy, IF (and it is a big if) they know what how far to move up or down with their voices in that particular song. To do that, they also have to know the key signature, and what that means, the time/rhythm that the song is written in, etc. Daddy taught all of those things in the singing schools he taught; and unlettered people loved to learn how to read music&#8212;-for the very first time in their lives, they could pick up a piece of music and sing it!!!</p> Sorry, Kathy! Back in the 1940s and 50s, many people really couldn’t read the notes, because they had never had “music lessons"! That was something that we didn’t have in the school that I attended; we only had music one day a week, for less than an hour, and the teacher would play the tune and have us follow her lead. Very few people even had a musical instrument, especially in the area I grew up in. (Southeast Texas) The schools started students in band only at the fifth grade level. So most people just learned from rote, and would only look at the song itself to get the right words.

Yes, if you know the lines and spaces, which many people do now, the rest is faily easy, IF (and it is a big if) they know what how far to move up or down with their voices in that particular song. To do that, they also have to know the key signature, and what that means, the time/rhythm that the song is written in, etc. Daddy taught all of those things in the singing schools he taught; and unlettered people loved to learn how to read music—-for the very first time in their lives, they could pick up a piece of music and sing it!!!

]]> https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/index.php/2010/07/23/awwrite#c31980 KathyG [Visitor] in response to: awwrite... Wed, 28 Jul 2010 01:41:07 +0000 KathyG [Visitor] c31978@https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/ <p>Aunt Bann said,<br /> &#8220;By using these shapes, almost anyone can learn to read music in a very short time. My father taught music schools for several years, using this method, and in one or two weeks, everyone who had paid much attention could pick up a song book and be able to sing a song they had never heard before. (And the lessons were usually only 1-2 hours each weeknight!)&#8221;</p> <p>Ummm&#8230;<br /> Isn&#8217;t that long enough to learn how to read _regular_ music notation? I really don&#8217;t remember it being all that tough.</p> <p>What am I missing here?</p> <p>K</p> Aunt Bann said,
“By using these shapes, almost anyone can learn to read music in a very short time. My father taught music schools for several years, using this method, and in one or two weeks, everyone who had paid much attention could pick up a song book and be able to sing a song they had never heard before. (And the lessons were usually only 1-2 hours each weeknight!)”

Ummm…
Isn’t that long enough to learn how to read _regular_ music notation? I really don’t remember it being all that tough.

What am I missing here?

K

]]> https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/index.php/2010/07/23/awwrite#c31978 Lorraine [Visitor] in response to: awwrite... Mon, 26 Jul 2010 06:26:25 +0000 Lorraine [Visitor] c31974@https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/ <p>Yes, absolutely. And you are right, it does sound a bit like Walker&#8217;s Southern Harmony. Walker used a notation so that those with no music education could learn to do what he called, &#8220;big singing&#8221; at camp meetings. Many of the beautiful melodies that Ken Burns used in his Civil War PBS series sounded a lot like those Walker collected in the late 1800s in the Southern US. They are beautiful, lilting tunes that I would surmise have folk song roots.</p> <p>I envy you your family&#8217;s sharing of music together.</p> <p>Lorraine</p> Yes, absolutely. And you are right, it does sound a bit like Walker’s Southern Harmony. Walker used a notation so that those with no music education could learn to do what he called, “big singing” at camp meetings. Many of the beautiful melodies that Ken Burns used in his Civil War PBS series sounded a lot like those Walker collected in the late 1800s in the Southern US. They are beautiful, lilting tunes that I would surmise have folk song roots.

I envy you your family’s sharing of music together.

Lorraine

]]> https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/index.php/2010/07/23/awwrite#c31974 Aunt Bann [Visitor] in response to: awwrite... Sun, 25 Jul 2010 20:31:27 +0000 Aunt Bann [Visitor] c31973@https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/ <p>Lorraine,I&#8217;m not familiar with Walker&#8217;s Southern Harmony, but I&#8217;d almost bet they are the same. For instance, instead of the notes that are all shaped the same (as ovals), each note on the scale has a different shape. There is DO, which is shaped as a normal triangle, with the bottom line; re, (pronounced ray), which is a closed &#8220;u"; mi, which is a diamond; fa, which is a right triangle; la, which is a square; ti, which looks almost like a cone; and the next note is another do. Many religious groups still use those notes instead of the &#8220;round&#8221; notes in their music. </p> <p>By using these shapes, almost anyone can learn to read music in a very short time. My father taught music schools for several years, using this method, and in one or two weeks, everyone who had paid much attention could pick up a song book and be able to sing a song they had never heard before. (And the lessons were usually only 1-2 hours each weeknight!)</p> <p>Does that help explain what I was talking about?</p> Lorraine,I’m not familiar with Walker’s Southern Harmony, but I’d almost bet they are the same. For instance, instead of the notes that are all shaped the same (as ovals), each note on the scale has a different shape. There is DO, which is shaped as a normal triangle, with the bottom line; re, (pronounced ray), which is a closed “u"; mi, which is a diamond; fa, which is a right triangle; la, which is a square; ti, which looks almost like a cone; and the next note is another do. Many religious groups still use those notes instead of the “round” notes in their music.

By using these shapes, almost anyone can learn to read music in a very short time. My father taught music schools for several years, using this method, and in one or two weeks, everyone who had paid much attention could pick up a song book and be able to sing a song they had never heard before. (And the lessons were usually only 1-2 hours each weeknight!)

Does that help explain what I was talking about?

]]> https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/index.php/2010/07/23/awwrite#c31973 Lorraine [Visitor] in response to: awwrite... Sun, 25 Jul 2010 05:13:03 +0000 Lorraine [Visitor] c31972@https://pdblack.twistedpair.net/ <p>Hi Diana and Ms. Bann, </p> <p>Could you tell me what shaped notes are, please? It is a little like the notation in Walker&#8217;s Southern Harmony?</p> <p>Lorraine</p> Hi Diana and Ms. Bann,

Could you tell me what shaped notes are, please? It is a little like the notation in Walker’s Southern Harmony?

Lorraine

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